Very true juice is home grown, every team gets there time. Juice has been good for years and they are still strong. Now there are teams just as good or better. (matter of opinion) There are some top home grown playing with those two teams they voted top two. The crazy thing if we put all those top NY home grown players together. NY could do big things anywhere against anybody, but thats another subject. Every team gets there times, Riverside, Panthers, Gauchos and juice ran NY for years. It just other teams times right now. And some of those programs have produced pros.